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吉姆（克里斯蒂安·贝尔 Christian Bale 饰）曾经是一名士兵，战场上的残酷经历在他的内心留下了深深的阴影，退伍后，那些沾染了鲜血和暴力的回忆依然不断的在吉姆的脑海中浮现，令他倍感困惑。恐惧和迷惘中，有一个人的存在牢牢的支撑着吉姆免于崩溃，那就是吉姆的女友玛塔（塔米·杜鲁尔 Tammy Trull 饰）。
麦克（弗莱迪·罗德里格兹 Freddy Rodríguez 饰）是吉姆的挚友，最近，他也遇到了麻烦，他深爱的女友西尔维娅想要同他分手，因为在丢了工作又失魂落魄的麦克身上，再也没有西尔维娅想要的东西了。生活的困顿让麦克和吉姆走到了一起，可是，随着时间的推移，越来越大的分歧出现在了两人之间，成为了悲剧的导火索。
长篇影评
1 ) Gun don't kill people,I kill people
也许是AMERICAN PSYCHO里的暴虐演技还没排毒彻底，机械师后遗症还没康复，新蝙蝠侠BALE同学当年继续非正常人类猛男下去，加上训练日编剧AYER充导演的一贯硬汉做派，将战后创伤叙述得如此猛男实属不易。片子诚恳结合上了蛊惑仔们的成年危机，毕竟养家活口正经工作的压力不比道上混得容易；幸好，导演并没将叙事教条化生活化，街坊们还是会时不时被寻仇插喉爆头，看着仇人们在自己的尸体前念几句南美悼词，街头诗意十足，痛快淋漓。
2 ) ~~~~~~~~~~
为什么我觉得这片儿很耐看看了两遍 那些琐屑的情节或者对话一丁点没让我觉得乏味始终有种每个镜头每句对白都不想漏掉的感觉
3 ) 毁灭之路
Bale就适合演这样的狂躁症患者，前一秒钟还好好的。
主角从片头开始就在不停的往毁灭自己的道路上走，一直走。
他自己也知道这一点，看上去他一直就等着结束的一刻来临。
他也想好，但也知道好不了了。
最后一刻，他说出心里话，我死有余辜。
吸引人的是他有一颗纯净的心灵，
他的国外的，破烂而温馨的家就是他心灵的映射。
他不属于这个国家，在这个表面光鲜实际肮脏的国家里，他是十足的弱者，
虽然他无时不刻不在逞强。
一个人的悲惨结局是他个人的悲剧。
一个“想好”的人的悲惨结局是社会的悲剧。
导演是《训练日》的导演，片子不赖，特别是最后，出现了一辆车，能和《训练日》里面丹泽尔的车一样，“升起来”，看来导演喜欢这种东西。
主角从片头开始就在不停的往毁灭自己的道路上走，一直走。
他自己也知道这一点，看上去他一直就等着结束的一刻来临。
他也想好，但也知道好不了了。
最后一刻，他说出心里话，我死有余辜。
吸引人的是他有一颗纯净的心灵，
他的国外的，破烂而温馨的家就是他心灵的映射。
他不属于这个国家，在这个表面光鲜实际肮脏的国家里，他是十足的弱者，
虽然他无时不刻不在逞强。
一个人的悲惨结局是他个人的悲剧。
一个“想好”的人的悲惨结局是社会的悲剧。
导演是《训练日》的导演，片子不赖，特别是最后，出现了一辆车，能和《训练日》里面丹泽尔的车一样，“升起来”，看来导演喜欢这种东西。
4 ) 一个人的Harsh Times
杀死好朋友的故事被拍成一个男人自我毁灭的故事。
贝尔强健的体型，脆弱的大脑代表着美国？美国人？
从片头的梦境到求职的遭遇到到哥们的点题（从墨西哥回来哥们分别时的忠告：“你该去看心理医生；你应该去告军队；告那场战争”）。导演不厌其烦的告诉观众：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毁型人格，是国家，军队，政府造成的。
用中国话说是“点背应该怨社会”。导演有点愤青啊！
还有一条脉络是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和过去的女人，现在的女人，包括朋友的女人的结果都是灾难性的。他的这种缺陷光用战争经历来解释有点牵强，最起码阐述的不够。
应该是导演专注于表现男人间的情感。兄弟情，战友的默契，哥们义气。男人间超越利益的那么一点美好的东西。结果却造成了男人的失败。
残酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美国的腐朽让美国长不大？导演也解答不了。（理想国在墨西哥，人间仙境一样的穷乡僻壤）
结尾回家找老婆的桥段我觉得是添足。有制片方审查的影子。主流价值观的强大说明美国人并不觉得生活在 Harsh Times。
贝尔强健的体型，脆弱的大脑代表着美国？美国人？
从片头的梦境到求职的遭遇到到哥们的点题（从墨西哥回来哥们分别时的忠告：“你该去看心理医生；你应该去告军队；告那场战争”）。导演不厌其烦的告诉观众：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毁型人格，是国家，军队，政府造成的。
用中国话说是“点背应该怨社会”。导演有点愤青啊！
还有一条脉络是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和过去的女人，现在的女人，包括朋友的女人的结果都是灾难性的。他的这种缺陷光用战争经历来解释有点牵强，最起码阐述的不够。
应该是导演专注于表现男人间的情感。兄弟情，战友的默契，哥们义气。男人间超越利益的那么一点美好的东西。结果却造成了男人的失败。
残酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美国的腐朽让美国长不大？导演也解答不了。（理想国在墨西哥，人间仙境一样的穷乡僻壤）
结尾回家找老婆的桥段我觉得是添足。有制片方审查的影子。主流价值观的强大说明美国人并不觉得生活在 Harsh Times。
5 ) 只爱男人，不爱流氓．
这次学乖了哈，绝对不先看别人的评价，不然都被人牵着鼻子走说。
于是在那个fuck的主角拿着枪fuck地指着他的女朋友之前，我fuck地完全不知道这部电影在fuck地讲些什么．
然后我就发现拉美文化太暴力鸟，严重地残害了我幼小的心灵．
每天和兄弟喝酒，闲逛，大家，吸毒，这种生活离我是如此遥远．
然后我无比确定，虽然里面Ｆ在HAVOC和Harsh Times的角色其实都不坏，某种程度上还令人欣赏．
虽然流氓真的很男人．
但我只爱男人，不爱流氓．．．．
（至少是一时无法接受．）
这样的生活，自由，新鲜，充满刺激．
无比真实，但也无比危险．
你不知道自己下一秒钟能够得到什么，或者失去什么．
感觉太直接了，会让人无所遁形．
没有安全感．
话说，人们喜欢扎堆，这就是兄弟的意义？
即使最糟糕的时刻也绝不离去？
那到底是家重要还是兄弟重要？
都重要？
（抽风ING...)
总之这是部把我吓得语伦无次的电影．
难怪HAVOC里面，安妮那些小朋友们向往帮派的生活．
如此赤果果，直接，率性，你可以为所欲为，只要你可以．
和Goverment呈现在我们面前粉饰太平的和谐生活如此不同，以至于我感觉到这使我的世界产生了裂缝．
不过幸好美国在地球的另一端．
电影只是电影．
Ｆ不是一个角色．
而我是我．
另外：越在乎越容易失去，想要破茧重生，是否一定要先经历毁灭？
这是不是就符合那个我从来记不住名字的什么定律，事情总是会向着最坏的方向发展？
运气好，是童话．
运气不好，即是悲剧．
于是在那个fuck的主角拿着枪fuck地指着他的女朋友之前，我fuck地完全不知道这部电影在fuck地讲些什么．
然后我就发现拉美文化太暴力鸟，严重地残害了我幼小的心灵．
每天和兄弟喝酒，闲逛，大家，吸毒，这种生活离我是如此遥远．
然后我无比确定，虽然里面Ｆ在HAVOC和Harsh Times的角色其实都不坏，某种程度上还令人欣赏．
虽然流氓真的很男人．
但我只爱男人，不爱流氓．．．．
（至少是一时无法接受．）
这样的生活，自由，新鲜，充满刺激．
无比真实，但也无比危险．
你不知道自己下一秒钟能够得到什么，或者失去什么．
感觉太直接了，会让人无所遁形．
没有安全感．
话说，人们喜欢扎堆，这就是兄弟的意义？
即使最糟糕的时刻也绝不离去？
那到底是家重要还是兄弟重要？
都重要？
（抽风ING...)
总之这是部把我吓得语伦无次的电影．
难怪HAVOC里面，安妮那些小朋友们向往帮派的生活．
如此赤果果，直接，率性，你可以为所欲为，只要你可以．
和Goverment呈现在我们面前粉饰太平的和谐生活如此不同，以至于我感觉到这使我的世界产生了裂缝．
不过幸好美国在地球的另一端．
电影只是电影．
Ｆ不是一个角色．
而我是我．
另外：越在乎越容易失去，想要破茧重生，是否一定要先经历毁灭？
这是不是就符合那个我从来记不住名字的什么定律，事情总是会向着最坏的方向发展？
运气好，是童话．
运气不好，即是悲剧．
6 ) 的确是很好的故事
David Ayer 作为导演的处女作。他居然也是《训练日》的编剧。不排除牵强附会的因素，我还真觉得《非常时期》和《训练日》有太多雷同之处。平淡但却扯淡生活，与自己不能自已的邪恶翻腾纠结，一次次简单随性而动的决定，却一次次把自己引向灭亡。
不过相对于《训练日》而言，导演的功力是弱了一点，故事讲得拉杂了一些，墨西哥的纯净天堂来没来得及打动人心就转瞬即逝，David Ayer 您怎么就不能再文艺一点呢？对于Jim的背景也只是做到了“点到即止”的后两个字。至于演员的功力，丹泽尔·华盛顿和克里斯蒂安·贝尔，都是我大爱的，风格迥异，但各有千秋。只是像贝尔这样格局小一点，却雕琢得无比精致的路子，我似乎更偏爱一些。
主题的问题。其实主题这个东西具有强大的捉摸不透的性质。很多问题是值得讨论的，但是有意义抑或有意思的往往只是讨论本身，如果过于强调讨论中的观点，我相信其实让人信服而终结讨论的观点很难产生。因而其实给一部电影附加一个明确的主题，或者让一部电影冲着某一个主题而延伸下去，并不是太容易的事。
尤其是有的人总是认为要关照到所谓的社会现实，甚而到一些哲理境界，才能将片子拔高，从而使片子显得有意义。我真觉得这些都是Bullshit。我一点都不觉得《非常时期》貌似写实主义的表面之下会有一个多么明确多么高超的主题，倒是觉得如果能好好地讲一个不差的故事，有精彩的表演，继而能细致关注到作为人的极为普通却又令人无法自拔的存在状态，就已经是好得很。
我不打算拿主题是否明确这样的标准来讨论《非常时期》了，除了不大会将故事，又莫名地过于依赖克里斯蒂安·贝尔的戏份以至于削弱了Jim的存在状态和情感世界的真实感外，我已经得到满足。
话说主角开车逃离后被穿透汽车后身的子弹击中的镜头，我还是第一次见。铜皮铁骨、刀枪不入的主角们，俨然要比这么实在地被击中的主角逊色许多啊。
不过相对于《训练日》而言，导演的功力是弱了一点，故事讲得拉杂了一些，墨西哥的纯净天堂来没来得及打动人心就转瞬即逝，David Ayer 您怎么就不能再文艺一点呢？对于Jim的背景也只是做到了“点到即止”的后两个字。至于演员的功力，丹泽尔·华盛顿和克里斯蒂安·贝尔，都是我大爱的，风格迥异，但各有千秋。只是像贝尔这样格局小一点，却雕琢得无比精致的路子，我似乎更偏爱一些。
主题的问题。其实主题这个东西具有强大的捉摸不透的性质。很多问题是值得讨论的，但是有意义抑或有意思的往往只是讨论本身，如果过于强调讨论中的观点，我相信其实让人信服而终结讨论的观点很难产生。因而其实给一部电影附加一个明确的主题，或者让一部电影冲着某一个主题而延伸下去，并不是太容易的事。
尤其是有的人总是认为要关照到所谓的社会现实，甚而到一些哲理境界，才能将片子拔高，从而使片子显得有意义。我真觉得这些都是Bullshit。我一点都不觉得《非常时期》貌似写实主义的表面之下会有一个多么明确多么高超的主题，倒是觉得如果能好好地讲一个不差的故事，有精彩的表演，继而能细致关注到作为人的极为普通却又令人无法自拔的存在状态，就已经是好得很。
我不打算拿主题是否明确这样的标准来讨论《非常时期》了，除了不大会将故事，又莫名地过于依赖克里斯蒂安·贝尔的戏份以至于削弱了Jim的存在状态和情感世界的真实感外，我已经得到满足。
话说主角开车逃离后被穿透汽车后身的子弹击中的镜头，我还是第一次见。铜皮铁骨、刀枪不入的主角们，俨然要比这么实在地被击中的主角逊色许多啊。
7 ) 转一个我在IMDB上回的讨论帖
最后一个是我回的，ID“he_lao_liu”。
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Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.
"you are the devil, we are the D"
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.
I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.
I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.
But hey to each their own.
I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!
Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
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I cannot agree with you two more...
to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.
to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.
And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.
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by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.
"you are the devil, we are the D"
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.
I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.
I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.
But hey to each their own.
I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!
Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
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I cannot agree with you two more...
to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.
to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.
And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.
这种脸型＋这种头型＋这种小平头＝要了我的命．穿上白色衬衫更是．．．绝配|| 缺点就是：他实在不像个小混混，穿着衬衫西装更是不像了
话唠片，两个落魄基友找工作，找乐子，找工作，找乐子，工作找到了，麻烦也来了，最后玩火自焚了。贝尔挺适合这样的角色。3.5 分
人生不如意事十有八九。但当它们只在瞬间涌来，你是否已有对策？
Bale是躁郁症角色专业户吗？！
有人叫好就有人谩骂。虽然我只是为了贝尔，也被内容无聊到了——也许是不理解，但我还是觉得没那么脑残。
For the bitches' ass, for the motherfucker,it's real men's movie.But think about it, don't u never ever lose your mind! U hear me?!
'kill me. just pull the fucking gun. come on, I'll do it for you'
一部街头气息十足的讲述战争创伤的电影，开头讲述战场情形那一段搞不清楚导演究竟在用谁的视角，看的人云里雾里的。关于两个男人的故事，让人猜不到下一秒故事会怎样发展，是希望与绝望交织的梦魇。现在看Bale的片子基本已经很免疫了，大兵头型再穿上西装还是很可爱的。最后居然打脸了，罪过罪过。
主旨其实是反映战争后遗症 但节奏太慢 垃圾话太多 战争阴影的影响被墨西哥英语和Eva Parker的身材冲淡了……
纯搞基片...搞基不要脸，最后一段都爱来爱去是怎样！！！
纯爷们的怨妇情结什么真是倒人胃口啊（喂！
为什么大男人主义被叫作“沙文猪”，大女人就是“女性主义”？///Christian Bale ♥
戰爭的傷害!
又是个心理扭曲的CB…演得很过瘾吧你…觉得Freddy Rodriguez 也挺不错～
自作孽，不可活。
not harsh at all
又是美国那种老一套，不过很吸引人。贝尔演的很好，没想到最后还是挂了。战争后遗症，美好的生活从此破裂，并走向灭亡。双重分裂的性格，让人想起《美国精神病人》。《爆裂鼓手》里面出现的老教授也客串了一个角色。很不错的片子，有点儿意思，三更半夜看起来倍儿爽。
满口shit dog……
上帝让谁灭亡必先使其疯狂，贝尔成功塑造了这样一个自作孽的角色，对他的西语和脏话我接受无能
切记，人不能大喜过望，大悲过重！动不动就放纵自己，最终自己走向灭亡！此片是不是告诉我们一个这样的道理！贝尔在里面完全没有感觉，就感觉冲动有余，一到需要表现的时候，镜头就开始晃动，搞不清是不是贝尔同志难以用面部来表达还是导演故意晃动镜头，作为一种拍摄手法呢？剧情基本没有搞懂！