奥巴马貌似不是社会主义者,他硬是给共和党敌对阵营逼成了,老是非此即彼选边站,一如冷战时期政府对待卡斯特罗这老地主一样,关于那笔政府救济金的发放,面对政府干预市场是社会主义行为的质疑时,有当值政府官员比喻巧妙:”如果一座房子失火,有孩子深陷呼喊,你在救人之前是否还要考虑自身的绑架嫌疑。”搞得脱口秀主持人当时语塞,现在答案是:“那火是假的,是与银行资本家勾结的执政者干的,就像伊拉克战事一样,政府喜欢因势利导,夸大事实捕风捉影,维护自身与资本利益。
幸亏那钱没像国会议员提议的那样发放给劳苦大众,否则奥巴马就一步到位成共产者了,毕竟事实是资金还是流向了资本,上层建筑要倒塌那就叫革命而非金融政变了。
美国梦的铸造旨在同一世界统一梦想,然而如今的美国早已不是冒险家们那片尚待开发的热土,它被资本意志所顶礼膜拜的贪婪开发殆尽,“富不过三代”,刚做做次贷二元方程就刨出底了。
此时美国人民才发现自己与资本拥有者还是有区别的,而且区别不小,贫富两极到没有中间值,真正资产阶级的世界要大过普罗大众,自己不过是替银行打工的有产者,并不是银行的有产者,前者是被压榨的对象而非格格林斯潘所谓的压榨者,世界不能全是有产者,必定有人要破产,而运用资产谁是银行家的对手,所以打工的有产者变成了街友,街友们一时无法适应自己的社会新身份,说:“到处是闲置丢弃的街道楼房,这等萧条还是美国吗?”于是突然发现自己的先辈们以难民的身份漂洋过海到底不是为了繁衍新型难民的,有1%的难民做的比我好,于是对这1%的好学生难民产生对立情绪,有了对立面就会产生阶级斗争,美国人大梦初醒,发现这世界还有另一种社会结构自己没见过,听说很坏,但先拿来救救难民的急也好。
PS:摩尔总是以已出发身体力行的站在一个普通美国民众的角度拍个人感触,而不是什么公共知识分子或评论员的高度,这是他成功的很大原因。
The other day I was watching Real Time. As usual, Bill and his panel - Arianna Huffington and Andrew Sorkin in this case - talked about how the Corporate America, especially those financial elites, rip off the hard-working middle class people and get away with it with tons of taxpayers' money in their pockets. As the heat mounted, it is, of course, inevitable to raise doubts about and criticize the existing system. Then, all of sudden, I was shocked, and partly amused, by how these spouts resemble what we have been preached throughout our education. Greed, exploitation, and ultimately the populist revolt. This type of rhetoric sounds no strange to us; for this is what we are expected, if not ordered, to believe in. And yet, to the American people, particularly the younger generation, it sounds just as exotic and remote as a fashionable historic curiosity.
There are more of these moments to find in Michael Moore's documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story. Jimmy Carter's presidential statement that "we are at a turning point in our history" in that "human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns" called for the very same thing the Eight Honors and Eight Disgraces is intended to. The only difference here is that one has perished amid the laissez faire spree triggered by the president's successor, while another is ongoing in an emerging superpower experiencing an astounding economic growth and faced with increasingly polarized distribution.
Carter also rightly decried that "too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption". Ironically enough, this is exactly where Ronald Reagan thrived. By cutting taxes by a enormous margin, by packing those ideas that Carter hated and warned against into the doctrine of capitalism and the almighty power of the free market, the Republican president created a robust consumption-driven economy and garnered tremendous popularity. Historically, this was also a significant period of what Walter R. Mead, an advisor to Henry Kissinger, described as the breakdown of the blue model. Union power declined, competition intensified - just as Michael Moore lamented in the film, it was not an easy time for everybody. However, the cosmetic served well. With new policies well implemented, economic index responded with great numbers. So did the stock market, so did the financial sector; and so people say of the economy and the president's legacy. Indeed, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
But this does not solve the moral problems incurred by the ever greater gap between the wealthy and the poor. In an electoral democracy, for a policy, or more precisely -- an ideology to become legitimate it has to promote the core ideas that have been deeply rooted in this nation ever since its foundation - well known as the "American dream" - which, in its simplest form, requires two most basic elements: freedom and equal opportunities. Of course, it is no difficulty to claim freedom in a capitalism for it is already a "free market", but the concept of "equal opportunities" is not an easy case. How could everyone be equal in a system in which more capital could be gained out of capital itself? How is deregulation supposed to promote equality when the ones with more wealth is granted with access to more influence, and hence even more wealth? This is where the economists, along with their terrifying-sounding jargons, weighed in. Drawing on one after another premises that are too good - and too simple - to be true, they derived elegant models functioning perfectly in equilibriums yet inherently inconsistent with reality. But politicians, as they always do, conveniently neglected those flaws in nature and with the help of speechwriters blended the pretty conclusions into their exciting orations. The "invisible hand", what a tempting yet handy idea - it's like finding the key to the ultimate mystery of the universe - sparing us the tedious thoughts of how our society and economy really work, develop, and interact with fast changing circumstances. Capitalism and the free market, as the Cold War ended in the collapse of the Soviet Union, soon earned their unchallengeable status in the realm of economic expertise. This, I firmly believe, is the ugly but real side of the truth: people blindly come to believe in those slogan-like theories not because of prudence, but because of laziness; for it is the one of the most common human nature of us to see what we want to see.
But, how about the immoral and unchristlike worship of "self-indulgence and consumption"? It indeed sounds like a righteous warning, doesn't it? Let me put this in relatively vague words for the sake of a bit wit here. When people see and hear of the media promotions of smoking elaborately plotted and sponsored by big evil tobacco companies, as depicted in Hollywood products, in either an upbraiding or a nostalgic way, they easily buy it, assuming that's what surely is bound to happen, as though the condescending liberal media elites just reclaimed their integrity out of blue. Nonetheless, contradictory to the common ground that government and politicians are evil, hypocritical, or, at best, incompetent, when it comes to massive political propaganda people easily get dismissive, disdainfully calling them conspiracies. Anyway, were those speculations to have been true, you have got to give applause to the gentlemen behind the curtain, for they can somehow manage to manipulate people to do and believe in things that are obviously against their own interests. It is truly a tour de force, works like magic.
Back to the film, and the ideology talk partly thanks to its title. It is amazing how frequently and strongly Michael Moore stress the term "socialism". And not in a Cold-War-minded way, but in a progressive and advocating way. So advocating that it proclaims socialism is the unfulfilled dream of FDR. So, how does the landscape really looks like in the US? Is it as biased as either side insists? Trying to answer that question, another popular liberal president, Jed Bartlet, would probably say, "Give me numbers." Fair enough. Let's take a look at them:
http://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268749559s.gifhttp://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268749552q.gifThis poll was conducted earlier this year. It shows that, significantly, though 58% of Americans still maintain a negative image of socialism, among Democrats and leaner a majority of people share a positive one, and that majority grows even bigger when it comes to liberals, topping the "supermajority" threshold at 61%.
Also underlined in the film is Barack Obama's ascendency in polls during the '08 presidential election, which Michael Moore arbitrarily attributed to the underlying socialism in his rhetoric and agenda. It is easy to commit the mistake of post hoc ergo propter hoc, but the exhilarated crowd was real and hard. Young people, with their compassion and idealism yet to fade, are known to be the main components of the liberal base. This hypothetical electoral map below demonstrates that fact convincingly well:
http://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268757624r.jpgThese results altogether illustrate a sharp contrast with that across the Pacific, where the pro-capitalism outrage amid the young is burgeoning seemingly as fast as the economic growth. The bottom line is that it is widely acknowledged that China's economy and growth model are in fact ill and flawed, but is capitalism the solution to all our conundrums? I am too often astounded by the extend to which some of our professors and pundits, who are supposed to think and analyze in a much more comprehensive way, appear so naive as to blame many problems on the markets not being open, free, and in essence capitalist enough. The contemporary history of the US has already showed the idealistic promises of capitalism that everyone shares an equal opportunity to work his way into the upper class are nothing but a fantasy; in reality, it is never in its purest form but other derivatives, namely, crony capitalism. Which does little good to the society as a whole but quite the opposite, creating even more inequality in the long run. In an economy that is strong and hence resilient to tentative turbulences so long as the marginal well-being stays positive, it might take decades for a bubble to burst. Nevertheless, in an over populated nation governed by a young regime dealing with various inherent social tensions, it could lead to catastrophe.
So, what does all this imply? Should we just entirely reject the Western philosophies as merely historical blunders? Of course not. To me the very point here is that we are bestowed - in an ironic way - with this dual perspective on the nature of human society, in terms of how social progressivism driven by different values eventually converge at promoting human equality and how dogmatism could be manipulated to impede that momentum and ultimately undermine our integrity. For a nation in the face of a seemingly unstainable economy, for a people shadowed by a wobbling ethical system, this is an utterly important issue.
Michael Moore对于美国,大概相当于台湾的李敖。欣赏的他们的原因也是一样,言论虽然极端,但是背后总是有一大堆数据和文件来佐证。何况现在的社会,太缺少这样的声音了。我猜导演也不把自己当成一个纯粹的电影工作者。而同样的,我们几乎不能用一般的标准来衡量这部电影。
作为一个金融工作者,我目击了两年半来市场神奇的变化。世界末日曾经来过。我们可以如此健忘,难怪历史一直重复。又或者你无知到都不曾感觉到世界末日来过。就好像开始工作之前我也对LTCM一无所知,对房地产市场毫无兴趣。如果你像我曾经那样无知,请看这部电影,你会知道一些你应该知道的事情。比方说雷曼兄弟的倒闭来自于同为犹太人投行的劲敌高盛在华尔街的散播谣言。比方说AIG被美国政府解救高盛丝毫没受金融危机影响反而比从前盈利更高的主要原因是高盛与美国政府高层的密切关系。就好像LTCM事件一样,为华尔街买单的是老老实实的交税人。
百分之一的人控制百分之九十五以上的财富,这就是资本主义,没有道德可言。从个人的角度,我们总是可以尽量保证自己不是最严重的受害者,但是总是有人会受到伤害。而制约伤害的方法真的是民主吗?
给了5颗星,是因为它的时代性,值得每个人去关注。
刚考完“全球化和世界秩序”,不想干正事,于是上百度百科回答问题,发现有一个人提出如下问题:
“资本主义跟社会主义的最大区别? 最好举个栗子 或者比较明显的现象 咱不要牵扯到马克思 我跟他不熟”
我想,又是个没受高等教育、不懂民主公司,不懂前沿社会主义发展和国际关系的人,受了披着社会主义外衣的权贵资本主义毒害不说,还不懂马克思基础原理。不看马克思你看什么社会主义,你看无政府主义?
冷笑后,我做出了如下回答:
资本主义是建立在私有经济上的社会制度,其经济制度以个人为单位,实行自由竞争和优胜劣汰。其一个良好的模板是在政治上实行民主制,每人一票,享受理论上平等的个人政治权利
而在经济上实行等级制,最富有的人,拥有最多生产工具的人掌握最多的经济权力(注意权力和权利的区别,前者是用来统治他人的,后者是用来维系自我的)。而对于一个社会而言,政治制度是建立在经济基础之上的,经济对政治起基础性作用,因而更多的经济权力意味着更多的政治权力,此时在资本主义下占经济统治位的群体,如企业家,金融家,就能成为社会政治的实际统治者。
因而资本主义民主具有先天不稳定性和“堕落倾向”,即金元政治,在美国,被越来越多的政治学家所批评。
政治对经济具有反作用,获得政治统治地位经济精英,会利用其权力尽可能地为自己谋取经济利益,摄取社会财富——因为社会财富是有限的,朝着精英集中化就意味着贫富的悬殊化,而“占领华尔街”正是一种针对金融资本家在政治垄断下进行经济掠夺的反抗。
真正的社会主义, 是在经济和政治上的全方位民主。
在政治上实现个人自由、民主选举执政代理人、权力制约和监督,即所有现行资本主义民主制的特点。同时,在经济上实行民主分配——这就是所谓的“公有制”,公有制,不是建立在非民选执政机关垄断生产工具上的,那只是极权主义或权贵资本主义,因为政府不是你选的,政府不代表你。公有制是建立在公民民主分配经济资源上的,可以是直接分配(你和你的同事直接分配公司资源,选举公司老板),也可以是间接分配(你选举议员作为你的代表,而议员来为你分配经济资源)。但原则是:每人都有对等的决定权,不根据你的职位的高低、工种而区别——一个社会主义经济的标志是“工作场所的民主”你选举你的老板,老板既对公司业绩负责,也对每一个员工的利益负责。
这样的在经济政治中全方位的真正的社会主义,在历史上还没出现过,但目前,在美国和德国的部分产业中开始出现,如有一家美国威斯康辛州的面包制造公司,就实行民主制,这叫“民主公司”(Democratic Company,上谷歌搜,比如这个链接
http://workplacedemocracy.com/)也见于麦克摩尔的电影《资本主义——一个爱情故事》
http://www.qire123.com/videos/22464vod-play-id-22464-sid-1-pid-0.html,56:55)
在那里,一个面包装配线的普通工人和公司总裁的基础工资是一样的,65000美元每年,奖金根据每人的加班时间平等估算,65000美元,是一个新手美国空军飞行员年收入的3倍
也有一些德国年轻人受社会主义理想的趋势,创办利益均沾、民主选举老板的公司。而最近出现的“社会企业”“微信贷”,如格莱芒银行(Grameen Bank),以穷人为主要顾客源,以主要顾客源而不是股东作为公司所有者。。。这些,都是社会主义经济的雏形。
美国民主公司官方网址:
http://workplacedemocracy.com/维基百科对“民主公司”的定义:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_economy 天朝现在走的是权贵资本主义道路,对真正的社会主义了解很少,所以网上现在没有关于民主公司的中文文件,只有英文原文。
记住
资本主义制度是:经济上实行私有制和等级制,政治上重视人权,实行只保障基本人权而不保障政治权力的民主制
社会主义制度是:经济上实行民主制和自由分配,同样保障私有财产,公民各取所需;政治上实行彻底的稳定的民主制。
所谓“彻底的、稳定的民主制”,就是在经济和政治上全方位的民主,民主决定社区政治事务,民主决定经济再分配——不但一个政治组织的事务应该由这个组织内的所有成员直接/间接决定,即使是一个经济组织里面的事务,也应该由组织内的所有成员直接/间接地决定。这样才是真正的社会主义。
官僚控制的国有经济,不是社会主义经济,而只是带有社会主义理想的权贵资本主义经济。
所以社会主义是需要极发达的物质条件作为基础的。站在这个角度,它必然需要社会经历资本主义的过程,所以说《资本论》预言的是正确的,真正的社会主义将在发达国家率先实现。要了解真正的社会主义,你必须看马克思,你所讨厌的,不是马克思,而是天朝政治对马克思的曲解
虽然我是个右派,但麦克摩尔这个大胖子总是能让我变得感性起来。
片尾曲是摇滚版《国际歌》,观众起立鼓掌。估计中国人不会喜欢,因为他们爱的并不是美国,而是资本主义;Michael Moore爱的是美国,不是资本主义。
每次看完迈克摩尔的电影,想到的第一句话总是“中国人民此刻内牛满面”
胖子的表情!!
an insane casino
没有在一个国家的理想与现实节节滑坡的惨象前一蹶不振,保持了积极的社会变革基调,仅就这一点便向Michael Moore致以崇高的敬意。不足是对解决问题的方法有所模糊,依然使用了“民主”这个模糊的概念。其中对Co-op的刻画极有启发,可继续展开。
一直挺喜欢Michael Moore讽刺的调调,这位老喜欢找茬的美国佬,应该觉得批评政府也是爱国的一种表现吧。
还以为有多谴责,结果也只是批判一下前几任政府,寄希望于奥巴马。我几乎要认为这是奥巴马的政治宣传片了。另:房屋被没收,难道就没有平民过度透支的恶习起作用?我看不见得。Pussy!纪录片带了政治目的,就成了一坨烂货。
1、迈克·摩尔做小题目,比如911,或者医保问题,得心应手,这个题目太大,他自己也不明白或者是装糊涂,着实驾驭不了。2、前两部还好,这一部里摩尔的“社会行动”/个人秀看起来着实地臭傻逼。3、没解决的核心问题在于,为什么富人富穷人穷,以及片中现象如何形成,没有解释,只有仇富和煽动
不管摩尔政治观点怎么样有无漏洞,当年如此支持奥巴马有没有被打脸,“独立党派”桑德斯现在变民主党是否尴尬等,他确实是个把娱乐和叙述结合得非常好的导演,适当插入各种表情包一样的段落令人怀疑他是否经常在油管看恶搞视频😂,事情讲清楚了,也并不卖惨或过度煽动。当然一部电影肯定是不够的
这片子不是给平头百姓看的。
迈克摩尔是美国艾未未,除了他喜欢编造谎言之外,更大的区别还在于他生在了一个值得爱的国家。在我们这个无偿献血的地方,没有爱情故事,只有悲伤和愤怒。
利用剪辑灌输自己观点,这一点上,他做的很好
摩尔是我见过当今最有社会洞见的导演,虽然很多地方有心无力,甚至方向偏颇,但仍然具有很大的社会意义,因为摸索是一个过程,试想如果全世界人民都能够清醒的辩证的去思考这个世界的运行,那么人类才会迅速的发展,苦难将会减少,社会合规律性不可违背,但历史任务需要做的就是调动人民的主观能动性…
麦胖果然是红色阵营派到西方的奸细,他老拍一些《新闻联播》最爱放的东西——即美国人民都生活在水深火热之中
大坏胖子著名搅屎棍Michael.Moore再次袭来!
美国的可怕之处在于总有人能提出反对意见, 在良性循环中找到潜在的危险. 或许 Michael Moore 有点哗众取宠不招人喜欢. 反思国内, 我们的工会我们的权利在哪里?
摩尔的人道主义关怀 - 区分capitalism & democracy. 资本主义是邪恶的, 只有民主是好的. 但是, 没有资本主义做基础的民主究竟是真正的民主吗? 纯粹的民主根底上只能是理想. 太多国家假民主却真贫穷. 效率与公平本身就是极难达成的平衡......
plutonomy,资本主义能让你无所不能,你想为太阳申请专利吗。。把民主和资本主义对立是有问题的。。。麦克默你敢再激进点么
哪种主义都不是百忧解